Contest for 2 Classic Apologetic Texts from the OC Library

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I’m offering up Evidence that Demands a Verdict Volumes 1 and 2 from my personal library to the winner of the first Offensive Christians Web Contest.

I ask that you post on your own blog/site an article about your position on apologetics  Link the article to this post. I will print up the linking URLS and have my children randomly select a winner who will receive Evidence that Demands a Verdict Volume 1 and Evidence that Demands a Verdict Volume 2.

Josh McDowell started these books while attempting to disprove Christianity. He ended up becoming converted and is one of our foremost living apologists. These books are an excellent front-line defense of Christianity and they use both bibilical and historical data to support their conclusions.  Be ready to get some ammunition for yourself or the Offensive Christian™ in your life.

Contest Details:

  • Contest runs until July 8th 2008
  • You may enter as many times as you like but you must have an original, contextual article pertaining to the topic for each link and therefore each entry
  • Post a comment to this article so I know to verify your link
  • Winner will be notified by July 10th via a reply to their article on their blog/site and will be announced on OffensiveChristians.com
  • If you win, I’ll ship the books to you and even give you some official Offensive Christians™ stuff to boot!

The New Evidence That Demands A Verdict Fully Updated To Answer The Questions Challenging Christians TodayThe Real Jesus: A Defense of the Historicity & Divinity of ChristThe Apologetics Study Bible: Understand Why You Believe

The above links are to other great Josh McDowell resources and are not the books you will receive.

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It’s Just a Joke…

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Like a madman who throws firebrands, arrows, and death is the man who deceives his neighbor and says, “I am only joking!”    Proverbs 26:18-19

I think that’s my new life verse. I have this tendency to joke around by telling lies and then quickly repudiating them. It gets some laughs and is in keeping with a lot of the humour we see today - But is it biblical?  This verse shows me that it is not.  Henry commented about this verse:

Am not I in sport? He that sins in just must repent in earnest, or his sin will be his ruin. Truth is too valuable a thing to be sold for a jest, and so is the reputation of our neighbour. By lying and slandering in jest men learn themselves, and teach others, to lie and slander in earnest; and a false report, raised in mirth, may be spread in malice; besides, if a man may tell a lie to make himself merry, why not to make himself rich, and so truth quite perishes, and men teach their tongues to tell lies, Jer_9:5. (Everyone deceives his neighbor, and no one speaks the truth; they have taught their tongue to speak lies; they weary themselves committing iniquity) If men would consider that a lie comes from the devil, and brings to hell-fire, surely that would spoil the sport of it; it is casting arrows and death to themselves.
Whoa. That’s me playing with fire. What do you think? I think I need prayer to change this sinful habit. Any comments?

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We Haven’t Forgotten about the HEAV Interviews

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Offensive Christians will we be editing down the interviews with Jay Wile of Apologia Educational Ministries and Caleb from Apologetics Press that we got from the Home Educators of Virginia Convention early this month. Both interviews are packed with good information for Christians looking to be inspired.  Keep watching - They’ll be up soon.

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Offensive Christians Found out about Creation Fest Too Late!

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We found out too late to go this year… I’m not familiar with this organization. Does anybody know what they stand for? Has anybody been to a Creation Fest in the past? It seems like a fun time but I’ve never heard of any of the speakers on this year’s line-up - The bands, yes - Speakers no. It would be fun to take the kids to see some great Christian music and it looks like fun - But does anyone know if this event is edifying?

It runs until June 28th in Pennsylvania. If anybody reading this has been in the past or attended in 2008, I’d like to hear from you.

OC

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Article from CMI Regarding latest Darwinist Gloating

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Bacteria ‘evolving in the lab’?

‘A poke in the eye for anti-evolutionists’?

Photo by Eric Erbe, wikipedia

Escherichia coli

Low-temperature electron micrograph of a cluster of E. coli bacteria, magnified 10,000 times. Each individual bacterium is oblong shaped.

by Don Batten

Some bacteria cultured in a laboratory have gained the ability to use citrate as an energy source. We have had lots of queries about this matter, so this is our weekend feedback to all those who have asked.

A New Scientist article proclaims:

‘Lenski’s experiment is also yet another poke in the eye for anti-evolutionists, notes Jerry Coyne, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Chicago. “The thing I like most is it says you can get these complex traits evolving by a combination of unlikely events,” he says. “That’s just what creationists say can’t happen.”’1

The many comments posted on the New Scientist website shows just how excited the atheists are about this report. They are positively gloating.

The context

In 1988, Richard Lenski, Michigan State University, East Lansing, founded 12 cultures of E. coli and grew them in a laboratory, generation after generation, for twenty years (he deserves some marks for persistence!). The culture medium had a little glucose but lots more citrate, so once the microbes consumed the glucose, they would continue to grow only if they could evolve some way of using citrate. Lenski expected to see evolution in action. This was an appropriate expectation for one who believes in evolution, because bacteria reproduce quickly and can have huge populations, as in this case. They can also sustain higher mutation rates than organisms with much larger genomes, like vertebrates such as us.2 All of this adds up, according to neo-Darwinism, to the almost certainty of seeing lots of evolution happen in real time (instead of imagining it all happening in the unobservable past). With the short generation times, in 20 years this has amounted to some 44,000 generations, equivalent to some million years of generations of a human population (but the evolutionary opportunities for humans would be far, far less, due to the small population numbers limiting the number of mutational possibilities; and the much larger genome, which cannot sustain a similar mutation rate without error catastrophe; i.e. extinction; and sexual reproduction means that there is 50% chance of failing to pass on a beneficial mutation ).

As noted elsewhere (see ‘Giving up on reality’), Lenski seemed to have given up on ‘evolution in the lab’ and resorted to computer modelling of ‘evolution’ with a program called Avida (see evaluation by Dr Royal Truman, Part 1 and Part 2, which are technical papers). Indeed, Lenski had good reason to abandon hope. He had calculated1 that all possible simple mutations must have occurred several times over but without any addition of even a simple adaptive trait.

Lenski and co-workers now claim that they have finally observed his hoped for evolution in the lab.

The science: what did they find?

In a paper published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science, Lenski and co-workers describe how one of 12 culture lines of their bacteria has developed the capacity for metabolizing citrate as an energy source under aerobic conditions.3

This happened by the 31,500th generation. Using frozen samples of bacteria from previous generations they showed that something happened at about the 20,000th generation that paved the way for only this culture line to be able to change to citrate metabolism. They surmised, quite reasonably, that this could have been a mutation that paved the way for a further mutation that enabled citrate utilization.

This is close to what Michael Behe calls ‘The Edge of Evolution’—the limit of what ‘evolution’ (non-intelligent natural processes) can do. For example, an adaptive change needing one mutation might occur every so often just by chance. This is why the malaria parasite can adapt to most antimalarial drugs; but chloroquine resistance took much longer to develop because two specific mutations needed to occur together in the one gene. Even this tiny change is beyond the reach of organisms like humans with much longer generation times.4 With bacteria, there might be a chance for even three coordinated mutations, but it’s doubtful that Lenski’s E. coli have achieved any more than two mutations, so have not even reached Behe’s edge, let alone progressed on the path to elephants or crocodiles.

Now the popularist treatments of this research (e.g. in New Scientist) give the impression that the E. coli developed the ability to metabolize citrate, whereas it supposedly could not do so before. However, this is clearly not the case, because the citric acid, tricarboxcylic acid (TCA), or Krebs, cycle (all names for the same thing) generates and utilizes citrate in its normal oxidative metabolism of glucose and other carbohydrates.5

Furthermore, E. coli is normally capable of utilizing citrate as an energy source under anaerobic conditions, with a whole suite of genes involved in its fermentation. This includes a citrate transporter gene that codes for a transporter protein embedded in the cell wall that takes citrate into the cell.6 This suite of genes (operon) is normally only activated under anaerobic conditions.

this would be the sort of thing that mutations are good at: destroying things

So what happened? It is not yet clear from the published information, but a likely scenario is that mutations jammed the regulation of this operon so that the bacteria produce citrate transporter regardless of the oxidative state of the bacterium’s environment (that is, it is permanently switched on). This can be likened to having a light that switches on when the sun goes down—a sensor detects the lack of light and turns the light on. A fault in the sensor could result in the light being on all the time. That is the sort of change we are talking about.

Another possibility is that an existing transporter gene, such as the one that normally takes up tartrate,3 which does not normally transport citrate, mutated such that it lost specificity and could then transport citrate into the cell. Such a loss of specificity is also an expected outcome of random mutations. A loss of specificity equals a loss of information, but evolution is supposed to account for the creation of new information; information that specifies the enzymes and cofactors in new biochemical pathways, how to make feathers and bone, nerves, or the components and assembly of complex motors such as ATP synthase, for example.

However, mutations are good at destroying things, not creating them. Sometimes destroying things can be helpful (adaptive),7 but that does not account for the creation of the staggering amount of information in the DNA of all living things. Behe (in The Edge of Evolution) likened the role of mutations in antibiotic resistance and pathogen resistance, for example, to trench warfare, whereby mutations destroy some of the functionality of the target or host to overcome susceptibility. It’s like putting chewing gum in a mechanical watch; it’s not the way the watch could have been created.

Much ado about nothing (again)

it has no relevance to the origin of enzymes and catalytic pathways that evolution is supposed to explain

Behe is quite right; this is nothing here that is beyond ‘the edge of evolution’, which means it has no relevance to the origin of enzymes and catalytic pathways that evolution is supposed to explain.8

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Further reading

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References

  1. Holmes, Bob, Bacteria make major evolutionary shift in the lab, NewScientist.com news service, 09 June 2008. Return to text.
  2. This is explained in Weasel, a flexible program for investigating deterministic computer demonstrations of evolution—see the section headed ‘Error catastrophe’. A mutation rate of one per million bases per generation generates 1 or 2 new mutations per cell for a typical bacterium, with the chance of some missing out on harmful mutations, but the same mutation rate with a human would create more than a 1,000 new ones per individual and every individual would acquire multiple harmful mutations. Return to text.
  3. Blount, Z.D., Borland, C.Z. and Lenski, R.E., Historical contingency and the evolution of a key innovation in an experimental population of Escherichia coli, PNAS 105: 7899–7906; published online on June 4, 2008, 10.1073/pnas.0803151105. This is Lenski’s inaugural paper as a newly inducted member of the National Academy of Sciences, USA—yet another died-in-the-wool atheistic evolutionist in that august body (see: National Academy of Science is godless to the core Nature survey). Return to text.
  4. See Batten, D., Clarity and confusion, a review of The Edge of Evolution by Michael Behe, Journal of Creation 22(1):28–32, April 2008. Return to text.
  5. The existence of the TCA cycle in all free-living things is another huge obstacle for evolutionists to explain: a complex cycle involving a dozen different enzymes and cofactors that is necessary for a huge part of a cell’s biochemistry. Return to text.
  6. Pos, K.M., Dimroth, P. and Bott, M., The Escherichia coli Citrate Carrier CitT: a Member of a Novel Eubacterial Transporter Family Related to the 2-Oxoglutarate/Malate Translocator from Spinach Chloroplasts, J. Bacteriol. 180(16):4160–4165, 1998; <www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=107412>. Return to text.
  7. See, for example, Beetle Bloopers (defects can be an advantage sometimes). Return to text.
  8. Michael Behe’s Amazon Blog, 6 June 2008. Return to text.

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First Blog Contest on Offensive Christians

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Just another quick post to promote the first Offensive Christians Blog Contest. Please see the post below for details. The winner will receive books no Offensive Christian™ should be without.

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Pew Releases Distressing News for Evangelical Christians

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The Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life released today a second part of their US Religious Landscape Survey. I’m reading the summary now and frankly, its very disheartening.

  • 66% of American Protestants believe other religions can have eternal life - I assume this does not mean a life of eternal suffering in Hell.
  • 79% of Catholics hold this position.
  • The most shocking statistic to me is the 57% of self-identified evangelical Christians who believe that other religions can lead to eternal life.

The postion that “all religions can get you eternal life” betrays a sad ignorance of the Word of God. That so many Protestants, Catholics, and evangelical Christians can hold this anti-biblical view show us that we are far from where we need to be.

Please consider the following scripture in light of the survey’s findings:

John 14:6  Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Matthew 7:13-14 “Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many.  For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.

Luk 13:23-30  And someone said to him, “Lord, will those who are saved be few?” And he said to them, “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. When once the master of the house has risen and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and to knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, open to us,’ then he will answer you, ‘I do not know where you come from.’ Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in your presence, and you taught in our streets.’ But he will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you come from. Depart from me, all you workers of evil!’ In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God but you yourselves cast out. And people will come from east and west, and from north and south, and recline at table in the kingdom of God.  And behold, some are last who will be first, and some are first who will be last.”

As Christians we must test our salvation. We must be clear as to who our Lord is. Many Christians and Christians in Name Only.  Nominal Christians - We must all strive not be included in this group.  A verse that strikes the fear of God in me is:

Matthew 7:21-23  “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.  On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

For the sake of Christianity and the Church - Be Offensive with your Christianity. Do not compromise your faith or the Word of God by adhering to this idea of “tolerance” which is really no tolerance at all but just a postmodern denial of Truth.  All religions can not be right. All roads do not lead to Rome.

David

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OC Radio Show Tonight @ 9:00 EDT - Karen Weber

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Please go to Talkshoe.com tonight at 9:00 pm EDT to discuss the Karen Weber situation in Florida. We’d like to hear your thoughts and plan a Christian response to this pervasive problem.

David

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Watch for our first Offensive Christians Contest - Two free books. Details pending…

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Alex Schadenberg - Euthanasia Prevention Coalition on OC Show

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Alex Schandenberg of the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition will be on the Offensive Christians Radio show on Talkshoe.com this Saturday. The details of the show are below:

Offensive Christians will have a radio show on Talkshoe.com You can call Phone Number: (724) 444-7444
Call ID: 18773 at 9:00 pm Eastern on Saturday June 21st and help us discuss the Karen Weber case and the Christian response to situations such as this. We’d really like to hear your comments and get your ideas on how to help get Karen’s story out and how to combat the culture of death that is invading (has invaded) our healthcare system.

David

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